6.5 Grendel
Reloading data for Encore 10" barrel
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6.5 Grendel Alexander Arms data for the AR-15
NEW Hodgdon Load Data!
As of 01-07-09
Making 6.5 Grendel from 7.62x39 brass
Making your own Case Trimmer
Factory loaded ammo is made by a few manufacturers. Currently factory ammo is loaded by Alexander Arms and Wolf. Wolf makes the 6.5 Grendel in there Gold line of ammo that is Brass cased and Boxer primed. There is a new prospect on the horizen but is not currently available. Brass for reloading is made by Lapua, Alexander Arms, and Wolf. You can also fire-form your own brass from 7.62x39 Russian brass. The main difference between the Lapua (AA) brass and the Wolf brass is; quality and the primer. Lapua or AA brass uses a small rifle primer, which is what the cartridge was originally designed to use. Wolf uses a large rifle primer. Some "purists" say the primer issue makes a BIG difference. I don't have enough experience to tell you for sure. It surely won't make any difference to me as I am not a competetive shooter. Others have stated that the Lapua (AA) brass is much better, and I would hope so. Virgin Brass alone will cost upwards of 3 times the cost of the Wolf loaded cartridges. The price difference in the brass is the main reason I have started fire-forming my own from 7.62x39 Russian cases. If you would like to read more on making your own brass for the 6.5 Grendel, click on the this LINK.
Maximum Case Length = 1.526"
Minimum Case Length = 1.520"
The data I will list below is strictly my own load data. I have not tested it for safety or function on the AR platform. This data may not be safe for you or your rifle if you fire it in an AR-15. This data has only been used in my 10" Encore pistol. Use data at your own risk!
Powder Charge (grs) Primer Bullet (grs) Bullet Type OAL" FPS AvgIf you have other "new" load data for this cartridge I would be interested in hearing about it. Send me an email and I will review it, test it and if it appears to be a safe load, I will post it here for others to use. Of course I will give credit where credit is due if you provide me with new data.
So, you want to "Make" your own 6.5 Grendel Brass? It's not that hard. There are items you will need to do this. I will list all the
components I use to make my own 6.5 Grendel brass. You don't need to have exactly what I used, but if you are planning on doing this you
probably have enough experience with reloading to know what items can be exchanged for others.
***Note: I have not tried to "fire-form" cases in an AR-15. I have only tried this in my break-open action Encore pistol. I suggest you try a few casings with this method and see if it will work for you before you purchase a lot of brass that you may not be able to use.
First, you will need a firearm chambered for the 6.5 Grendel cartridge. Then you will need:
1. Supply of "New" or "Once-Fired" 7.62x39 Brass - DO NOT use brass that has been
fired more than once.
2. Full Length Resizing Die for 6.5 Grendel (Makers: Lee, RCBS, others)
3. Case Lube
4. Tumbler with clean Media (You need some way to clean off the case lube from the casings).
5. Primers, LR (CCI recommended, but others will work)
6. Powder (any powder listed for 6.5 Grendel will work)
7. Case Trimmer (I made mine from a Lee 7.62x39 Case Length Gauge) More on that later.
8. Case mouth Chamfer and Deburring tool.
9. A filler substance (Either a bullet or some other filler such as Cream-of-Wheat and patch, etc...) More on
that Later too.
10. A safe area to discharge and "fire-form" the cartridge.
After the prepping has been completed run each casing through the Full length sizing die. You will feel resistance during this process, and that is normal. If you find that you are bottoming out on the casing before you reach full draw on your press, this is normal. Don't force it. You will end up with either a totally deformed case or worse yet, a stuck case! This ain't no fun. I know from experience. You only need to resize enough to get the cartridge to chamber in your weapon. Note: In most cases, you notice a slight deformity in the neck area of the casing after resizing. This is normal and will "blow out" during the fire-forming stage of the process. Exessive deformity may not permit the casing to chamber in your firearm. Be diligent in your first few casings to make sure you do not change the casing too much so that it will not chamber and "lock-up" properly and safely. Note: At this point it may be prudent to remove the sizing lube from a few cases and check for proper chambering in your firearm.
Once all the brass has been resized it would be prudent to tumble the brass in a tumbler with clean media for at least one hour to remove all the excess sizing lube. ***Note: This is especially true if you are using an AR platform for this process. This may be a dangerous step if you fire the "lube-laden" casings in an AR rifle. The casing may not adhere correctly to the chamber which will cause undue pressure to be excerpted upon the bolt and could damage your rifle!! Once tumbling is complete, make sure to inspect the flash hole and the interior of each case and make sure there is no residual media remaining.
After the lube has been removed from the casings again check for any imperfections in the case. Big things to look for here are split necks, cracks anywhere in the casing especially around the shoulder, any damage to the casing around the web area. There will be slight crimpling on the shoulder due to the fact that the 7.62x39 case is tapered. This is the first time you should check for Case OAL. Any cases that are longer than the maximum case length of 1.526" should be trimmed. Alexander Arms posts that 6.5 Grendel cases should be between 1.520" and 1.526" in length. If you have any casings that are long, you should trim them now. All cases should have the case mouth deburred and chamfered inside and out.
The great thing about loading to fire-form is the fact that you can "clean up" some of the excess components you have laying around.
If I break down any cartridges for any reason I keep the components in a separate area and use them for "other than ideal" loading excursions.
This is where I got rid of a lot of my "odd-lot" components for 6.5mm. I also had to purchase some items, but I did a little "cleaning" during this
process as well.
Hodgdon BL-C(2) is a listed powder for the 6.5 Grendel. That is the powder I used for the fire-form loads. I
used some "odd-lot" primers that I had removed from other casings (Rem, Win, CCI). Like I stated before, the 7.62x39 Russian case uses a
Large Rifle primer, as apposed to the Small Rifle primer used in the Lapua (AA) brass. Just remember that if you do use Russian cases to
fire-form you will need to use LR primers. I also used up some of the excess bullets I had in my inventory. All of my fire-form
loads have used 120gr bullets so far, as that is what I had excess of. I used Speer Hot Cores, and Nosler BT in these tests. Both bullets
worked wonderfully, but I would expect most any 6.5mm bullet would reap the same result, not including the above 130 gr bullets. The 6.5
Grendel was not really designed for any bullets above 130 gr so I would stay away from that arena. Much over that and the bullets are too
long and take up too much case capacity to be of any real purpose.
Now for the load I used. I used two different powder charges of Hodgdon BL-C(2). The first round of fire-forming I used a charge of 27.0 grains. The second round I used 24.5 grains or 1.6cc (Lee dipper). Both worked wonderfully from my Encore. As mentioned I used an "odd-lot" of previously used primers (most from the parent cases) and some new Winchester and CCI primers. I used 120gr bullets exclusively and they were either Speer Hot Cores or Nosler BT. I seated both bullets to a COL of 2.180" and did not use any crimp. The bullets were held firmly from the resize and I saw no need to crimp as this would only add pressure, which I did not need.
A case trimmer can be made for the 6.5 Grendel from a Lee 7.62x39 Russian Case Length Gauge fairly simply. There is a little time involved and a few hand
tools, but you can make one in about 30 minutes and for a lot cheaper than having Lee make you one on a special order. I am sure that Lee
will eventually add this trimmer to their lineup, but if you need it now, it doesn't do you much good. Items you will need to make the trimmer
are:
1 -
Lee Cutter and Lock Stud
1 -
Case Length Gage and Shellholder 7.62x39mm Russian
1 -
6" Bastard Cut Flat Hand File
1 - Piece of each (80, 150, 220) grit sandpaper
1 - Electric or Battery drill or drill press
1 - OAL gauge for 6.5 Grendel, or a set of measuring calipers (you should have these already if you reload)
1 - Unfired and deprimed 6.5 Grendel Case
4.1 First know, you will need to remove a generous amount of material from the body of the gauge. You will be going from 7.62mm to
6.5mm or thereabouts. This is where the bastard file is worth its weight in gold!.
4.2 Place the length gauge in the drill chuck. Use the small gauge end and not the threaded end. It is much more stable and won't
bend as easily.
4.3 Slowly remove material from the body area of the gauge with the file while the gauge is rotating in the drill. Do your best to keep the
gauge concentric over the entire length as this will be important when you use it to trim the brass.
4.4 Check the size of the body (mandrel) often to be sure you are not removing too much material. This can easily be checked with the
unfired 6.5 Grendel Case.
4.5 Once you are really close to the correct mandrel size you want to switch from the file to using the Sandpaper. The sandpaper will
still remove material, but it will be much less and will smooth the mandrel at the same time. Remember to check the mandrel diameter with the
unfired 6.5 Grendel Case.
4.6 After you have gotten the mandrel diameter at the proper size to easily slide into the unfired 6.5 Grendel case, you are almost
done. Install the mandrel into the cutter, Install the case holder onto the drill chuck and place the unfired 6.5 Grendel case as you would
to trim the casing.
I have done this procedure several times and with several oddball cartridges. The major parts will cost you about $8.00, which is a whole lot better than the $45.00 that Lee charges to "special" order one for you.