My Personal Reload Data

This data is for Information ONLY!!
I have not tested or used this data in my personal firearms,
and in no way guarantee the safety of these loads.
Use this data AT YOUR OWN RISK.

6.5 Grendel    Reloading data for Encore 10" barrel    Click  HERE   

6.5 Grendel   Alexander Arms data for the AR-15

NEW Hodgdon Load Data!   As of 01-07-09
Making 6.5 Grendel from 7.62x39 brass
Making your own Case Trimmer

Factory loaded ammo is made by a few manufacturers. Currently factory ammo is loaded by Alexander Arms and Wolf. Wolf makes the 6.5 Grendel in there Gold line of ammo that is Brass cased and Boxer primed. There is a new prospect on the horizen but is not currently available. Brass for reloading is made by Lapua, Alexander Arms, and Wolf. You can also fire-form your own brass from 7.62x39 Russian brass. The main difference between the Lapua (AA) brass and the Wolf brass is; quality and the primer. Lapua or AA brass uses a small rifle primer, which is what the cartridge was originally designed to use. Wolf uses a large rifle primer. Some "purists" say the primer issue makes a BIG difference. I don't have enough experience to tell you for sure. It surely won't make any difference to me as I am not a competetive shooter. Others have stated that the Lapua (AA) brass is much better, and I would hope so. Virgin Brass alone will cost upwards of 3 times the cost of the Wolf loaded cartridges. The price difference in the brass is the main reason I have started fire-forming my own from 7.62x39 Russian cases. If you would like to read more on making your own brass for the 6.5 Grendel, click on the this LINK.


This Data is straight from the Alexander Arms Website.  These loads are MAX loads and starting loads should begin 5% less than listed below.   This is a partial listing.  More data can be found Here
If you would like to download this information in Excel Format, go HERE. and find the link.

Maximum Case Length = 1.526"
Minimum Case Length = 1.520"

Powder                Charge (grs)                Primer                Bullet (grs)                Bullet Type                OAL"
H Benchmark            30.5                     CCI #450              Speer 90                     TNT                        2.200
H 335                           29.4                     CCI #450              Lapua 100               Scenar                      2.260
Accurate 2460              30.2                     CCI #450              Lapua 100               Scenar                      2.260
H BL-(C)2                   32.0                     CCI #450              Sierra 107              Match King                2.260
H 335                           28.9                     CCI #450              Sierra 107              Match King                2.260
Accurate 2460              29.3                     CCI #450              Sierra 107              Match King               2.260
H BL-(C)2                    31.7                     CCI #450              Sierra 120             Match King               2.220
Accurate 2520              30.6                     CCI #450              Sierra 120              Match King               2.220
Factory                        N/A                     CCI #450               Sierra 120             Match King               2.220
H BL-(C)2                   31.7                     CCI #450               Nosler 120                    BT                       2.245
Accurate 2520              30.6                     CCI #450              Nosler 120                     BT                       2.245
H 4895                         27.7                     CCI #450              Lapua 123               Scenar                    2.265
H Varget                     28.5                     CCI #450               Lapua 123               Scenar                    2.265
H BL-(C)2                   31.8                     CCI #450               Lapua 123               Scenar                    2.265
Accurate 2520             30.7                      CCI #450              Lapua 123               Scenar                    2.265
Accurate 2520             30.8                      CCI #450              Sierra 123              Match King               2.260
H 4895                        27.7                      CCI #450              Sierra 123              Match King               2.260
H Varget                    28.5                      CCI #450               Sierra 123             Match King                2.260
H BL-(C)2                  31.8                      CCI #450               Sierra 123             Match King                2.260
Factory                       N/A                      CCI #450               Sierra 123             Match King                2.260
H BL-(C)2                  31.0                      CCI #450            Hornady 129                SST                       2.260
H BL-(C)2                  29.0                      CCI #450             Norma 130                 HPBT                     2.265
H BL-(C)2                  29.4                      CCI #450             Swift 130                 Scirroco                   2.265
H Varget                    27.0                      CCI #450             Swift 130                 Scirroco                   2.265
H BL-(C)2                  29.0                      CCI #450             Berger 130                 VLD                       2.265
H 4895                       26.4                      CCI #450             Lapua 140               Naturalis                  2.300

**Ensure taper crimp allows round to chamber easily - - DO NOT OVERCRIMP!
**Loads were tested in a 24" factory test barrel.
Load data for the 6.5 Grendel AR-15 can also be found on the Accurate website Here

Encore Pistol Loading Data

I currently do not have an AR-15 chambered for the 6.5 Grendel. I do have an Encore Pistol barrel chambered for this round. My barrel is a 10" Heavy-Bull barrel by Coyote Guns & Accessories LLC. You can view their site
HERE.

The data I will list below is strictly my own load data. I have not tested it for safety or function on the AR platform. This data may not be safe for you or your rifle if you fire it in an AR-15. This data has only been used in my 10" Encore pistol. Use data at your own risk!

Powder                Charge (grs)                Primer                Bullet (grs)                Bullet Type                OAL"                FPS Avg
Factory Load               N/A                            N/A                Wolf (Unknown) 123               SP                      2.254                  2106
H BL-C(2)                 27.5                       CCI#200              Hornady 100                  SP                      2.260                  1707
H BL-C(2)                 28.0                       CCI#200              Hornady 100                  SP                      2.260                  1740
H BL-C(2)                 28.5                       CCI#200              Hornady 100                  SP                      2.260                  1819
H BL-C(2)                 29.0                       CCI#200              Hornady 100                  SP                      2.260                  1859
H BL-C(2)                 29.5                       CCI#200              Hornady 100                  SP                      2.260                  1918
H BL-C(2)                 30.0                       CCI#200              Hornady 100                  SP                      2.260                  1944
H BL-C(2)                 30.5                       CCI#200              Hornady 100                  SP                      2.260                  1999
H BL-C(2)                 31.0                       CCI#200              Hornady 100                  SP                      2.260                  2047
H BL-C(2)                 27.5                       CCI#200                Sierra 85                  HP (Varminter)        2.260                  1792
H BL-C(2)                 28.0                       CCI#200                Sierra 85                  HP (Varminter)        2.260                  1803

  Updated 2/29/08

Powder                Charge (grs)                Primer                Bullet (grs)                Bullet Type                OAL"                FPS Avg
H BL-C(2)                 30.0                       CCI#200               Rem. 120               PSP Core-Loct            2.260                1948
H BL-C(2)                 30.5                       CCI#200               Rem. 120               PSP Core-Loct            2.260                2012
H BL-C(2)                 31.0                       CCI#200               Rem. 120               PSP Core-Loct            2.260                2069
H BL-C(2)                 31.5                       CCI#200               Rem. 120               PSP Core-Loct            2.260                2135
H Varget                   27.0                       CCI#200               Rem. 120               PSP Core-Loct            2.260                1900
H Varget                   27.5                       CCI#200               Rem. 120               PSP Core-Loct            2.260                1930
H Varget                   28.0                       CCI#200               Rem. 120               PSP Core-Loct            2.260                1955
H Varget                   25.5                       CCI#200               Horn. 129              PSP Interlock              2.280                1833
H Varget                   26.0                       CCI#200               Horn. 129              PSP Interlock              2.280                1871
H Varget                   26.5                       CCI#200               Horn. 129              PSP Interlock              2.280                1914

  Updated 3/20/08

Powder                Charge (grs)                Primer                Bullet (grs)                Bullet Type                OAL"                FPS Avg
H Varget                     26.0                        Wolf                  Horn. 129                PSP Interlock              2.280                1089
H BL-C(2)                   28.5                        Wolf                  Horn. 129                PSP Interlock              2.280                1079
H BL-C(2)                   29.0                        Wolf                  Horn. 129                PSP Interlock              2.280                1123
H BL-C(2)                   29.5                        Wolf                  Horn. 129                PSP Interlock              2.280                1190
H BL-C(2)                   30.0                        Wolf                  Horn. 129                PSP Interlock              2.280                1214
H BL-C(2)                   30.5                        Wolf                  Horn. 129                PSP Interlock              2.280                1222

I will be updating this section when I can. I have more data tested, but need to compile it before posting.
Check back here in a few weeks and I should have it posted. This is an ongoing project and will update as new
data for this gun is developed.



If you have other "new" load data for this cartridge I would be interested in hearing about it. Send me an email and I will review it, test it and if it appears to be a safe load, I will post it here for others to use. Of course I will give credit where credit is due if you provide me with new data.


Making 6.5 Grendel Brass

Clickable Links
Getting Started
Loads and Loading
Fire Forming the Casing
After the shot
Making your own Case Trimmer

So, you want to "Make" your own 6.5 Grendel Brass? It's not that hard. There are items you will need to do this. I will list all the components I use to make my own 6.5 Grendel brass. You don't need to have exactly what I used, but if you are planning on doing this you probably have enough experience with reloading to know what items can be exchanged for others.

***Note: I have not tried to "fire-form" cases in an AR-15. I have only tried this in my break-open action Encore pistol. I suggest you try a few casings with this method and see if it will work for you before you purchase a lot of brass that you may not be able to use.

First, you will need a firearm chambered for the 6.5 Grendel cartridge. Then you will need:
     1. Supply of "New" or "Once-Fired" 7.62x39 Brass - DO NOT use brass that has been fired more than once.
     2. Full Length Resizing Die for 6.5 Grendel (Makers: Lee, RCBS, others)
     3. Case Lube
     4. Tumbler with clean Media (You need some way to clean off the case lube from the casings).
     5. Primers, LR (CCI recommended, but others will work)
     6. Powder (any powder listed for 6.5 Grendel will work)
     7. Case Trimmer (I made mine from a Lee 7.62x39 Case Length Gauge) More on that later.
     8. Case mouth Chamfer and Deburring tool.
     9. A filler substance (Either a bullet or some other filler such as Cream-of-Wheat and patch, etc...) More on that Later too.
     10. A safe area to discharge and "fire-form" the cartridge.

Getting Started

The first step to making this brass is to clean and inspect each "parent" casing for any defects or imperfections. If there is a problem before you start it will only magnify during the next stages of forming. Once all cases have passed the initial inspection it is time to set up the Full Length sizing die and cartridge holder (Lee #12) in your press. Note: You need to have a decent press to form the cases. Minimally a Lee "O" frame press. A Cast press is even better. Once you have the press set up you will need to lube each case before attempting to resize it to 6.5 Grendel. Note: 7.62x39 Brass is tapered along the entire cartridge. 6.5 Grendel brass is not. This will be noticeable after fire forming. Cases need to be lubed on the case side, throat, and a little on the case mouth. Be careful as with most lubes, a little goes a long way.

After the prepping has been completed run each casing through the Full length sizing die. You will feel resistance during this process, and that is normal. If you find that you are bottoming out on the casing before you reach full draw on your press, this is normal. Don't force it. You will end up with either a totally deformed case or worse yet, a stuck case! This ain't no fun. I know from experience. You only need to resize enough to get the cartridge to chamber in your weapon. Note: In most cases, you notice a slight deformity in the neck area of the casing after resizing. This is normal and will "blow out" during the fire-forming stage of the process. Exessive deformity may not permit the casing to chamber in your firearm. Be diligent in your first few casings to make sure you do not change the casing too much so that it will not chamber and "lock-up" properly and safely. Note: At this point it may be prudent to remove the sizing lube from a few cases and check for proper chambering in your firearm.

Once all the brass has been resized it would be prudent to tumble the brass in a tumbler with clean media for at least one hour to remove all the excess sizing lube. ***Note: This is especially true if you are using an AR platform for this process. This may be a dangerous step if you fire the "lube-laden" casings in an AR rifle. The casing may not adhere correctly to the chamber which will cause undue pressure to be excerpted upon the bolt and could damage your rifle!! Once tumbling is complete, make sure to inspect the flash hole and the interior of each case and make sure there is no residual media remaining.

After the lube has been removed from the casings again check for any imperfections in the case. Big things to look for here are split necks, cracks anywhere in the casing especially around the shoulder, any damage to the casing around the web area. There will be slight crimpling on the shoulder due to the fact that the 7.62x39 case is tapered. This is the first time you should check for Case OAL. Any cases that are longer than the maximum case length of 1.526" should be trimmed. Alexander Arms posts that 6.5 Grendel cases should be between 1.520" and 1.526" in length. If you have any casings that are long, you should trim them now. All cases should have the case mouth deburred and chamfered inside and out.

Loads and Loading the Cartridge

There are a lot of different loads and ways to "Fire-Form" brass. I will not cover all the different ways you can do this as everybody it seems has a different thought process on this. I will only note the loads I used to fire-form my brass, as I can only attest to the safety of these loads. I am still here, and have no lingering effects after their use. ***Note: These loads were tested in a TC Encore 10" pistol. I would expect they would function fine in any single-shot configuration, even the AR platform if only fired one-at-a-time. I would assume that these loads would not be enough to cycle the action on and AR and they are not designed to.
The big thing you want to be sure of is that you do not create an obstruction in the barrel while fire-forming your cases. I have read where some people use Cream-of-Wheat and wax to plug their cases, but I just don't like that approach. It shouldn't hurt the barrel and would be safe as far as most of the dangers of over-pressure would not exist, but I just can't see wasting good cereal! Not to mention having to clean the stuff out of my bore. This would be a definate No-No in the AR platform as well due to the gas port and tube! I instead prefer to use actual bullets when I fire-form. Yes, it is more expensive. Yes, you do need to make sure that the load you use is powerful enough to exit the bullet from the barrel. Yes, you do need to be certain that the bullet exited before you chamber the next round!!
But, the upside to using real bullets is that you can get a little trigger time with your weapon while you are wasting components! Isn't that the whole purpose of shooting anyway? I found my fire-form loads to be quite accurate actually, even out of the 10" barrel. My son just loves shooting these loads as there is very little kick and a lot of "BOOM" associated from the pistol barrel.

The great thing about loading to fire-form is the fact that you can "clean up" some of the excess components you have laying around. If I break down any cartridges for any reason I keep the components in a separate area and use them for "other than ideal" loading excursions. This is where I got rid of a lot of my "odd-lot" components for 6.5mm. I also had to purchase some items, but I did a little "cleaning" during this process as well.
Hodgdon BL-C(2) is a listed powder for the 6.5 Grendel. That is the powder I used for the fire-form loads. I used some "odd-lot" primers that I had removed from other casings (Rem, Win, CCI). Like I stated before, the 7.62x39 Russian case uses a Large Rifle primer, as apposed to the Small Rifle primer used in the Lapua (AA) brass. Just remember that if you do use Russian cases to fire-form you will need to use LR primers. I also used up some of the excess bullets I had in my inventory. All of my fire-form loads have used 120gr bullets so far, as that is what I had excess of. I used Speer Hot Cores, and Nosler BT in these tests. Both bullets worked wonderfully, but I would expect most any 6.5mm bullet would reap the same result, not including the above 130 gr bullets. The 6.5 Grendel was not really designed for any bullets above 130 gr so I would stay away from that arena. Much over that and the bullets are too long and take up too much case capacity to be of any real purpose.

Now for the load I used. I used two different powder charges of Hodgdon BL-C(2). The first round of fire-forming I used a charge of 27.0 grains. The second round I used 24.5 grains or 1.6cc (Lee dipper). Both worked wonderfully from my Encore. As mentioned I used an "odd-lot" of previously used primers (most from the parent cases) and some new Winchester and CCI primers. I used 120gr bullets exclusively and they were either Speer Hot Cores or Nosler BT. I seated both bullets to a COL of 2.180" and did not use any crimp. The bullets were held firmly from the resize and I saw no need to crimp as this would only add pressure, which I did not need.

Shooting the Loaded Round

There really is not much to say on this step. It pretty much describes itself. However, you need to make sure you follow all safety precautions associated with firing any firearm. Make sure of your backstop and beyond. Wear eye and hearing protection. You know the drill. If you don't then you can click
Here. However, there are a few other things to consider during this step.

     1. Remember - This is an un-tried round! Be aware of any abnormal responses from the cartridge or firearm.
          If the report of the firing sounded funny always check the bore for an obstruction before firing another round.
     2. Always be cautious of an untried round before becoming comfortable with its loading.
          If possible, it is always good to "test-fire" a couple rounds in a rest of some time before holding and firing the
          remaining rounds yourself. This is also true prior to allowing others, especially inexperienced children, to shoot the
          fire-formed rounds.
     3. It would probably be a good idea to have a cleaning rod and a few hand tools with you during this process.
          Nothing ruins a good range session like a jammed firearm. It may only take a minimal amount of persuasion
          to get a casing out of a chamber. But if you don't have them, you can't use them!

After the shot

OK! You should now have your perfectly fire-formed 6.5 Grendel Cases. Congratulations!! Now you can treat these cases as any other factory casings and reload them normally. You should clean and inspect each casing for any defects before reloading them again. You should also check each case for length and make sure they do not exceed the Max length. ***Note: It has been my experience that "once-fired" fire-formed cases will actually be a bit shorter than the recommended Min Case length. This is because the 7.62x39 case expands during the process and will pull brass from the neck and shoulder area to fill out the chamber area of your firearm. I have not had to trim any of my "once-fired" fire-formed cases that were formed from 7.62x39 Russian casings. I cannot comment yet on the longevity of these fire-formed cases because I just started with this process. Once I get a few loadings on these cases I will report back on this page. Good luck and hope you success.

How to Make your own Case Trimmer for 6.5 Grendel

I am cheap. This is why I reload, mainly. I don't have a bench mounted Case Trimmer. I have thought about it several times, but then decide against it. Why? Because I already have all the case trimmers I need. The only time I think about it is when I start loading for a new cartridge. I use the little Lee Case Length Gauge's for all my case trimming needs. However, there are times when Lee hasn't caught up with demand on newly introduced cartridges. This is the case with the 6.5 Grendel as it used to be for the .50 Beowulf as well. I very simply overcame the .50 Beowulf ordeal by making my own trimmer from Lee .500 S&W and 7.62x39 trimmers. You can review this information
Here, under the section on Trimming.

A case trimmer can be made for the 6.5 Grendel from a Lee 7.62x39 Russian Case Length Gauge fairly simply. There is a little time involved and a few hand tools, but you can make one in about 30 minutes and for a lot cheaper than having Lee make you one on a special order. I am sure that Lee will eventually add this trimmer to their lineup, but if you need it now, it doesn't do you much good. Items you will need to make the trimmer are:

                 1 - Lee Cutter and Lock Stud
                 1 - Case Length Gage and Shellholder 7.62x39mm Russian
                 1 - 6" Bastard Cut Flat Hand File
                 1 - Piece of each (80, 150, 220) grit sandpaper
                 1 - Electric or Battery drill or drill press
                 1 - OAL gauge for 6.5 Grendel, or a set of measuring calipers (you should have these already if you reload)
                 1 - Unfired and deprimed 6.5 Grendel Case

4.1  First know, you will need to remove a generous amount of material from the body of the gauge. You will be going from 7.62mm to 6.5mm or thereabouts. This is where the bastard file is worth its weight in gold!.

4.2  Place the length gauge in the drill chuck. Use the small gauge end and not the threaded end. It is much more stable and won't bend as easily.

4.3  Slowly remove material from the body area of the gauge with the file while the gauge is rotating in the drill. Do your best to keep the gauge concentric over the entire length as this will be important when you use it to trim the brass.

4.4  Check the size of the body (mandrel) often to be sure you are not removing too much material. This can easily be checked with the unfired 6.5 Grendel Case.

4.5  Once you are really close to the correct mandrel size you want to switch from the file to using the Sandpaper. The sandpaper will still remove material, but it will be much less and will smooth the mandrel at the same time. Remember to check the mandrel diameter with the unfired 6.5 Grendel Case.

4.6  After you have gotten the mandrel diameter at the proper size to easily slide into the unfired 6.5 Grendel case, you are almost done. Install the mandrel into the cutter, Install the case holder onto the drill chuck and place the unfired 6.5 Grendel case as you would to trim the casing.

** (Complete the next step with only one casing, so that confusion will be kept to a minimum.)

4.7 Trim the casing to the OAL that the cutter and lock stud will allow.

4.8  Remove the casing and check its OAL with the calipers. If the OAL of the casing is between 1.520" and 1.526", you are done. If not, you will need to slowly remove the excess length with the sandpaper from the small tip of the case lenth gage. The gauge I purchased was the correct length and I did not need to remove any length.

** NOTE: This process can be sped up by using a drill to rotate the gage while applying the sandpaper to the tip. Check your progress often, as you do not want to remove too much and make the gauge too short. Start with the appropriate grit of paper in relation to the amount of over-length that you need to remove.

I have done this procedure several times and with several oddball cartridges. The major parts will cost you about $8.00, which is a whole lot better than the $45.00 that Lee charges to "special" order one for you.


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